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Speaker 1

00:00

The Jorogun experience.

Speaker 2

00:02

Borderland like psychotic episode. From your perspective, you don't even understand what a drug is. Right, you have no idea what happened.

Speaker 2

00:07

There's no frame of reference. Like, first time I did Acid I was scared. But I knew that I was about to be on a fucking journey. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2

00:14

That was the idea. When you're a kid and it comes out of nowhere till you accidentally take it, and then it's just, you're just in this state. Dude.

Speaker 1

00:21

Yeah, and then, you know, now you know that's possible. So you're always gonna have this anxiety that at 1 point in time you might slip back into it. That was the thing that I had always heard about acid too that scared me when I was a kid, flashbacks.

Speaker 2

00:33

Yeah, flashbacks. And they would

Speaker 1

00:34

tell you, they would tell you, bro, it stays in your fat. The acid stays in your fat, man, and 1 day you're just fucking driving down the road and the road becomes teardrops. I'm like, What?

Speaker 1

00:45

Yeah, man, you have a flashback. People die that way. I was like, oh. It was always the thing.

Speaker 1

00:49

If you take acid, maybe you'll never come back.

Speaker 2

00:52

Yeah. I think I took so much acid 1 time. The most acid I ever took when I was 19 years old, maybe 18, Me and my buddy Dan Daugherty, we got a medicine dropper, this fucking hippie kid, this fucking real big known hippie in my town. He's like, dude, I got acid.

Speaker 2

01:09

And when hallucinogens came to town in New York, where I was at, Rockland County, New York, When hallucinogens came around in the early 2000s, late 90s, you got them because they only came around once in a while. There'd be like a fucking hippie festival upstate and people would bring strips of acid down or they would have mushrooms, but it was so rare. So when you would hear about somebody having it, you'd fucking drive. We used to drive from Rockland County, which is right outside of New York City, we used to drive up to Albany, because there was a guy that would get it up there, and we would fucking pick it up when he had it, and he had it like twice a year.

Speaker 2

01:39

But this kid was like, dude, I have liquid acid in an eyedropper, we're like, oh, no way, dude, let's do it. He was like, $3 a hit, which was super cheap. And then my buddy Dan, I remember he did like 2 drops, and I was like, oh, sweet, dude. He was like,

Speaker 1

01:52

all right, let me do another 1. And then he went,

Speaker 2

01:54

no, I did 2. And then he was like, I'm gonna do another 1. And then he went, and squirted it.

Speaker 2

01:58

And I went, holy shit, dude. I was like, well, I can't let you do that by yourself. And I went, psst.

Speaker 1

02:03

Oh my God.

Speaker 2

02:04

We gave it back to the guy, and he looked how much was left in it. He was like, dude, he was like, don't pay me. He was like, you didn't get this from me.

Speaker 2

02:10

And then he just walked away from us. And then within 10 minutes, dude, within 10 You know, it takes like 45 minutes to come on? 10 minutes, I'm talking about on another planet, dude. Another fucking planet, just blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2

02:25

Within 5 minutes of that, I lose Dan. Dan's running down the street like a lunatic.

Speaker 1

02:30

When you say another planet, what are you experiencing?

Speaker 2

02:33

Just extreme, like, I Don't even remember most of the trip But I remember I saw a friend and they got in their car and the lights from the car It was like I was on a spaceship dude. It was just like the music and I mean it was just like The hardest I've ever tripped by far and it's everything like the visuals the sounds the feeling but such intense Such an intense trip like scary. It started becoming really scary started going down the road where you know Everything is everything like I started that was my conclusion was like that life is death and death is life and sound is the same thing as a fucking table.

Speaker 2

03:08

Just being a fucking lunatic. And I remember starting to think, it kept on coming into my head to kill myself because I wanted, there's an experience that I can only experience once it was like just really scary fucking thoughts and I tripped for 2 full days 48 hours straight didn't sleep just kept on tripping then I finally fell asleep And then the next morning I woke up and it was like I had taken a hit of acid the next morning But it was normal enough that I was like... So really for like 3 days I tripped.

Speaker 1

03:35

And when you were tripping, what did the world look like?

Speaker 2

03:41

There was just... Like the world, I mean... It's a great question.

Speaker 2

03:46

It's a really great question. I'm trying to remember what my perspective was and how the world looked. I remember being at a Dunkin' Donuts and just sitting there at the table and just fucking thinking about numbers a lot and just fucking. Numbers.

Speaker 2

03:57

Yeah, and everything was just fucking brighter. It wasn't, Dude, it wasn't pleasurable at all. It wasn't like-

Speaker 1

04:02

Why were you thinking about numbers?

Speaker 2

04:04

I don't know. I don't know. I was just, the numbers were just coming into my head and I was just repeating fake math equations that weren't real.

Speaker 1

04:13

How do you know they weren't?

Speaker 2

04:14

Maybe they were real.

Speaker 1

04:15

I know they were real. What if you wrote those bitches down? What if you wrote those bitches down and someone like Eric?

Speaker 1

04:22

Where did you learn this? Oh my god, this is a solution and they run over those fucking goodwill hunting Imagine if that's what ideas are when you're tripping. What if you're catching an alien life form, it comes in the form of an idea?