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Speaker 1

00:00

The Joe Rogan experience.

Speaker 2

00:02

That's sick. That's my favorite follow. That's Stoic Instagram.

Speaker 1

00:05

Oh, Stoic is great. Yeah. Ryan Holiday is great too.

Speaker 2

00:08

Oh yeah, Ryan Holiday, yeah. He looks like the guy that killed 4 college students in Idaho.

Speaker 1

00:12

He does.

Speaker 2

00:12

That's who I thought it was. I was like, oh, the Stoic is a mass murderer. He's

Speaker 1

00:15

out. He's out. He's writing books about just being cool about everything. Did you hear that,

Speaker 2

00:20

by the way, with Ido? They're thinking about bringing back the firing squad if he gets convicted. Oh my God.

Speaker 1

00:25

Well, they think he might have killed people in Washington State, too. Is that where it was? It was somewhere else.

Speaker 1

00:31

There was a another place where he lived or a similar similar crime took place And they think he was studying Crime in in in college in order to get better at it

Speaker 2

00:44

right.

Speaker 1

00:44

It's really Eve. It's an evil scary story Yeah, if all this they're accusing him is act of is accurate. It's horrific Right guy was out there,

Speaker 2

00:53

right dude. You want to hear a wild story? So my mom had a friend

Speaker 1

00:56

Let's see if we could find out that's true though.

Speaker 2

00:58

Yeah,

Speaker 1

00:59

the part where They think that he might have committed a similar crime Somewhere

Speaker 2

01:05

else here we go see this is what's happening now on an intermittent fasting stomach. I'm gonna start getting crazy It's gonna it might get bad and

Speaker 1

01:11

I'm gonna sniff

Speaker 2

01:13

Why the hell not? Joey went in

Speaker 1

01:21

Get in there Chrissy Oh, that was deep. Joey went in. I went in.

Speaker 1

01:21

Okay. Get in there, Chrissy. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Woo!

Speaker 1

01:26

Jamie? No. No? Jamie said no.

Speaker 1

01:29

I didn't even get his full name out before Noah's coming out of his mouth.

Speaker 2

01:32

Jamie, that 1 burned. That 1 fogged up my glasses. That 1 burned, baby.

Speaker 1

01:36

I get it, dude. I want a lift right now.

Speaker 2

01:38

Seriously. I want to do

Speaker 1

01:39

some deadlifts.

Speaker 2

01:40

I seriously, like, yeah, like, I want to fucking, I want to, yeah.

Speaker 1

01:43

Put the lid on it.

Speaker 2

01:44

I want to, I want to like start doing jujitsu with you. I don't even know how

Speaker 1

01:46

to do it. There's nothing like a freshie when you open them up fresh.

Speaker 2

01:50

That is a freshie.

Speaker 1

01:51

Yeah, when you let them sit for a while, they lose a lot of their potency. Like we had 1 that was here for a few months and it had lost a lot of kick. But damn, when you open them fresh.

Speaker 1

02:00

I don't see anything about other crimes. I'm trying, I'm looking still. I believe it was where he was originally going to school It's a was Washington State. Yeah, but just did you Google may have possibly committed similar crime in Washington State,

Speaker 2

02:15

Washington? Okay,

Speaker 1

02:16

just Google may have possibly committed, wanted for possibly committing similar crime.

Speaker 2

02:22

A lot of serial killers come from this part of the country.

Speaker 1

02:25

He could be major link to other murders. This is it. And this is in Newsweek.

Speaker 1

02:31

Okay.

Speaker 2

02:32

Oh, it's

Speaker 1

02:32

the Idaho murder, so. Oh, it says, new evidence recovered may be a major link to the Idaho murders. He's been accused of fatally stabbing University of Idaho students.

Speaker 1

02:43

The search warrant which was reported by the New York Times discussed several items which were taken from his residence. Where is the thing about the other cases? Oh here it is. And December 30th he was arrested at his parents residence in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1

03:03

Extradited to Idaho where he's currently charged. Koberger was attending Washington State University at the time of the murders.

Speaker 2

03:09

Yeah. He looks like the guy from the Stoic.

Speaker 1

03:11

But there was something he does looks a lot like him. But Ryan Holliday is quite a bit more handsome.

Speaker 2

03:16

Ryan Holliday is not

Speaker 1

03:17

his older like me. Yeah. Brother

Speaker 2

03:19

Ryan Holliday. Hottie would a body.

Speaker 1

03:22

But this is Pennsylvania was sifting through cold cases for links to him. Oh, it was Pennsylvania Interesting

Speaker 2

03:31

Yeah, that's we had they pulled him over and it was in his parents house and because remember the media was saying we don't Know we don't have any leads, but the FBI was following him across the country.

Speaker 1

03:38

Yeah, they can't just leak. Yeah You can't

Speaker 2

03:40

do that in the

Speaker 1

03:41

middle of an investigation of a fucking psycho

Speaker 2

03:43

But it is wild like with these these, you know, he's famous now for these murders, but as you said, could be stuff before. My mom had a friend, right? Grew up in Utah.

Speaker 2

03:55

Maybe she's 18, 19 years old, whatever year, 70s, 80s, whatever. Goes on a date with a guy, right? Normal day, just met him, I think at the supermarket. Goes on a date with this guy and she's at the table with him and she feels very like a ominous feeling looking at this man.

Speaker 2

04:14

She's like, I'm looking at him and I can see like there's nothing behind his eyes Like there's just something that I don't like about this guy So to the point where she has never done this, you know had never she was only 18 But since this has never done this she went to a payphone at the restaurant called her brother and was like can you please come pick me up like immediately and stayed in the bathroom until her brother was outside and went in the car and left. And she was like, I'm just creeped out by this guy. I can't explain it. I'm creeped out all this energy.

Speaker 2

04:45

I'm creeped out, creeped out. Now he had, this man had picked her up from her house So the brother had a paper route. He's leaving the next morning at 5 a.m. See some ruffling in the bushes.

Speaker 2

04:58

Okay Crazy, right Like whatever sees a guy running out of the bushes. It says holy shit, whatever runs back in the house Tells his mom and dad sister wakes up says he was wearing like a beige jacket She's like that's the guy was on a date with like that. He was like waiting He must have been like waiting for me, right? Whatever Goes on life goes on.

Speaker 2

05:16

What a psycho lunatic boyfriend 3 years later Ted Bundy on the news face. She was on a date with Ted Bundy Before he had committed any murders or he had committed murders, but had not been famous for it yet, had not been convicted of it yet, she said when he saw him, she literally almost fell out of her chair because she was like, that look, she said that Ted Bundy about, you know, how, you know, everyone says he's so handsome, whatever, she said he would Get a look over him when he was praying on a victim what she was felt She was being prayed on that she doesn't even look like he does not look like that his face Configures and contorts to something that looks so sinister that she literally was like get me away from him now, so I was like Whoa Fucking teddy be mad you on a date with Ted with a young teddy bee That'd be fucking nuts dude.

Speaker 1

06:06

So he had already committed murders It's so he was already is how he was looking to murder her and he was giving that energy out

Speaker 2

06:16

she said, you know based off when all his crimes were exposed from what the FBI said But she went on a date with him. Let's say was 1978. He had already been convicted Connected to murders and other parts of that because his first murders were in like the Utah region and that's where they were.

Speaker 2

06:32

Wild, right? Holy shit. Dude, fucking it's pretty nuts. And then I think I might've said this on the last 1, but T.T.

Speaker 2

06:40

Jerry, when she was in prison, served prison time with the son of Sam. She shared a wall with the son of Sam. 2 murderers, she Shared a wall with the son of Sam 2 murderers. She shared a wall with the son of Sam and Ronald to fail from the Amityville Horror House the man who killed all those people and that you know The movie the Amityville who was really based off Ronald to fail She was in prison with both of them at the same time and the prisoners from Escape from Dannemora, who like, that Showtime show that they made, so she was in like real deal prisoners, but she said, the son of Sam, now this was months before the Netflix documentary came out, T.T.

Speaker 2

07:13

Jerry said, she's like, you know, the son of Sam, David, did not kill all those people. He was involved in a cult. There were other murderers, but the city pinned it all on him. And then a few months later, this Netflix documentary comes out, came out a couple of years ago, basically saying that most likely, Son of Sam did not kill all those people.

Speaker 2

07:34

He killed maybe 1 or 2, but there was other murderers that just got away with it.

Speaker 1

07:38

Do you know the Henry Lee Lucas story?

Speaker 2

07:41

Henry Lee Lucas.

Speaker 1

07:42

Henry Lee Lucas, they made a film about him called Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. And it's a guy who got arrested for 62 murders and he was basically a drifter and he was traveling across the country murdering people.

Speaker 2

07:55

Okay.

Speaker 1

07:55

But they think that what really happened was They came up to him and they said, you know, hey Henry, you know, there was a few people that were killed behind the bushes in Indianapolis in 76. We'd sure love to solve that crime. Was that you?

Speaker 1

08:11

He was, yep, that's me. I killed them too. Well, did you do it with a knife? Because we found a knife.

Speaker 1

08:16

Yep, knife. Killed him with a knife. Yeah. And this guy was basically a dullard and may may have killed people like mate You know a lot of drifters have killed people, but it seems like Google that make sure I'm correct on this I think now They think that they attributed a bunch of crimes to him that he couldn't possibly have committed

Speaker 2

08:34

It's a while. It is

Speaker 1

08:36

the depraved serial killer who confessed to hundreds of murders. See this is it so it was more than 62 which is what he was I think he was originally charged with 600 people Okay Drawn together by shared childhood trauma Henry Lee Lucas and Otis tool became lovers then serial killers who terrorized America in the 1970s. So it's, but he confessed to hundreds of murders, but they think that some of them he couldn't possibly have done.

Speaker 2

09:02

But did he stay in prison for the rest of his life because of it?

Speaker 1

09:07

Yeah, they might have killed him.

Speaker 2

09:09

In prison? I don't

Speaker 1

09:10

know what happened. I don't know if he's still alive, but see if he got, if that's a story, that they got him to confess to a bunch of murders that he couldn't have actually done.

Speaker 2

09:19

That's a common thing though, right? People confess to stuff all the time. You know, there's a show on Apple TV, it was called Blackbird, it just came out last year.

Speaker 2

09:28

It's about a real story about a guy who what his tactic would be, is he murdered a lot of people, but he would say to the police, oh, I murdered that girl in that county, I'm confessing to it. But then they would go through the research and be like, no, you couldn't have possibly, but he would cop to it, And then the cops would be like, he did that like 5 times. They'd be like, every county he was investigating, they'd be like, that's what he does. He confesses to murders, he's a bullshitter.

Speaker 2

09:52

But he really was killing people. He was using, he was confessing to false ones so he could get away with the real

Speaker 1

09:57

ones. Holy shit. Wild, right?

Speaker 2

10:00

Holy shit. So it's like, some of these guys are so smart Do the show black this guy this actor? Well, I think it's William Hauser something This is 1 of the best actors in my generation.

Speaker 2

10:12

No Joe. I don't know if you know this guy This guy's acting is like Daniel Day-Lewis level. He is a phenomenal actor. When you watch a show Blackbird, you cannot believe it

Speaker 1

10:22

where I'm like. And this is on Apple Plus?

Speaker 2

10:24

Apple TV, this is 1 of the best shows I've seen. Came out last summer.

Speaker 1

10:28

No shit.

Speaker 2

10:29

This kid is literally like phenomenal. And then I'm watching 101 Dalmatians a day later with my kids and he's in that. I'm like, look at this fucking lunatic.

Speaker 1

10:37

He plays Richard Jewell. Yes. Richard Jewell movie about the Olympic Park bombing.

Speaker 2

10:43

Yep. Wow. Unbelievable actor. He was also in that sketch show, I think you should leave on Netflix, which is 1 of the funniest sketch shows I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2

10:50

He's got a great sketches in that that guy but that show Blackbird was it's unbelievable So basically what happens is this guy who who's from he's from a bunch of movies This kid is ripped. By the way, This kid has to be intermittent fasting. He is. He's in the Watchmen, not the Watchmen.

Speaker 2

11:09

The, with, yeah, Samuel L. Jackson's in it. It's a famous movie and he's excellent in it. But basically the premise of, it's based on a true story.

Speaker 2

11:17

This guy, the guy, the hottie with the body, he gets convicted 10 years in prison for gun charges. I think he's guy out of Massachusetts So and he was a good con man, right? This is all real good con man could you know gift a gab whatever? So the FBI wants to pin the the guy with the mutton chops Hauser they want to pin Larry Hall's his name in real life they want to pin murders on him they know that they've kind of caught up to his game now they know that he lies about murders here to commit murders here They know it but they got to convict they got to get him to confess to 1 of these murders because they found the Girl's body because he's killing kids like 14 year old girls like brutal shit raping them horrific So they say to this kid to the to the jacked guy.

Speaker 2

11:57

They say look you got the gift of gab You got 10 years in federal prison. Okay, you're 3 months into your sentence We're gonna transfer you to this maximum security prison where Larry Hall is. If you can get him to confess to the murder of this girl that we have evidence on, and you can get that, your sentence is commuted immediately, and you're out of prison. That's all you got to do But he was in a minimum security prison so he would be able to either coast through 10 years or take a chance and go to the prison with murderers rapists and potentially be murdered in the shower stall But if he can convince get this guy gift a gab and get him to confess then he'll get out Oh, that's what the show is about and it was dude amazing show like edge of my seat It was 1 of the best shows I've seen in a long time

Speaker 1

12:43

That's all

Speaker 2

12:44

I want to watch it. I want to watch it again on smelling salts.

Speaker 1

12:47

Thank you for bringing that up. I'm fucking pumped about that I've been looking for a new show.

Speaker 2

12:51

Yeah Oh and by the way before let me just finish the thought about Jerry what I want to say is the son of Sam thing He said, you know, he was a serial killer. Yes, and don't get me wrong murderer, you know deserves to be in prison He said the biggest fucking lunatic like he was like the only person who I met, I was like this guy needs to be like either put to death or kept like in a cage like under the jail, he said was Ronald DeFeo, who the Amityville Horror House guy, because he said He would cook for him all the time, Ronald DeFeo, and he would like let Ronald DeFeo like jerk off to him. They would put like a prison mirror and he would like, because he was trans, Jerry, so he would shake his ass a little bit and let Ronald like get his rocks off, whatever, he didn't care.

Speaker 2

13:26

He said, but every morning he would make Ronald DeFeo Jr. Like a little breakfast on his little, You know, they had like little hot stoves in there. They would let prisoners like Jerry, after you did enough time, give you some stuff. He'd make a little bacon and stuff for him.

Speaker 2

13:38

And he said, every morning, like clockwork, 7 days a week, every morning, bring Ronald his food and say, how was your night, Ronald? How are you feeling? He was like, good, I feel good. I just, I didn't kill my grandma.

Speaker 2

13:48

It's the only thing I just, I killed everyone in that house, but I did not get my grandma. So, but everything else, other than that, it's good. And Jerry be like, okay. And then keep moving.

Speaker 2

13:56

So he's like, still he's in prison for the, and that is true. The only 1 he didn't kill in that house, the grandma either got out or wasn't there. But he was like, there's no rehabilitation for that man. He genuinely believes if he does not kill his, he would say to him, if I don't kill my grandma, I'm not getting into heaven.

Speaker 2

14:12

So he had it warped. He killed his entire family. And he's like, that's how I get to heaven. But I gotta get the grandma.

Speaker 2

14:18

And then he died in prison recently but I was like whoa whoa whoa shit I know it's it's it's wild