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Speaker 1

00:00

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Speaker 2

00:02

Did Willie Pepp die in the ring or something?

Speaker 1

00:05

I don't believe so.

Speaker 2

00:05

That name stands out to me for some reason. I don't believe so.

Speaker 1

00:09

Okay. Benny Perrette died in the ring. Benny Perrette was killed by Emil Griffith. Emil Griffith beat him to death in the ring after Benny Perrette teased him for being gay.

Speaker 1

00:18

He kept talking shit about him being gay.

Speaker 2

00:22

And he beat the shit out of him?

Speaker 1

00:23

He beat him to death. Oh, was he gay? I believe so.

Speaker 1

00:27

I believe so. I think that was the rumor. Wow. He beat him to death.

Speaker 1

00:33

But that wasn't illegal, right? Nope. I mean, he wasn't trying to. He was trying to knock him out.

Speaker 1

00:37

But it's a... I forget what they call that fight. See if you can fight that fight, because that's a rough 1 to watch the end. Emile Griffith

Speaker 2

00:44

versus Ben Perrette. Was that the fight that changed boxing, where they had to crack down on safety rules? No.

Speaker 2

00:49

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1

00:50

The 1 that did that was Ray boom boom man, Sini versus duck who Kim that was the 1 where Duck who Kim died and I think that was when they started to go to 12 rounds I think they go went to 12 rounds slightly after that because they were doing 15 rounds before and I think Dukku Kim died in the 13th or 14th round. I forget which round I think they had decided That 12 rounds would be the right 1 so this is Emil Griffith versus Benny Perrette and this is the 1 where you know he was taunting him and Emil Griffith just fucking

Speaker 2

01:27

so I'm guessing the guy on the right was the gay guy

Speaker 1

01:30

The guy on the right is Emile Griffith. Yes, okay, that's that's that's yeah with the I don't know if he's gay But

Speaker 2

01:38

that's what that's what he was being pleased about

Speaker 1

01:40

yeah, and that was he was definitely being teased about that But that was the rumor that he was but look dude. He just beats the fucking shit So he's stuck in the ropes and Emile Griffiths just teeing off on him while he's out So he's trapped in the ropes and he collapses and then he's dead.

Speaker 2

01:55

He's dead right now.

Speaker 1

01:56

Yeah, he's dead man. Wow They beat him to death Watch that again. Watch that combination again, because it's so crazy.

Speaker 1

02:06

Uppercut, and then he backs up, right hand,

Speaker 2

02:09

right hand. This right here? Right hand.

Speaker 2

02:10

The ref should have stopped it right here. Right hand,

Speaker 1

02:12

right hand. This is crazy. Right hand, right hand.

Speaker 1

02:15

He's trapped. The only thing keeping him up is the punches. The punches are so hard, they're keeping his body upright as he's leaning up against the rope cuz

Speaker 2

02:23

he did right here

Speaker 1

02:24

Bang well, he's out right here right like right there. You could have stopped it right there Turning away, and he's hitting it with bomb after bomb and he keeps going 12121212I mean, he's just swinging at him afterwards

Speaker 2

02:39

in the refs just sitting there like this.

Speaker 1

02:40

Yeah There's been some horrific moments like that.

Speaker 2

02:43

Do you remember that? Who was the 1 guy? I can't remember his fucking name, but he

Speaker 1

02:46

Ray Mercer versus Tommy Morrison

Speaker 2

02:49

We mean that's doesn't that's from Rocky right? Yeah, no,

Speaker 1

02:52

no, no never saw that 1. No, I mean the worst 1 ever

Speaker 2

02:55

I'm talking about the guy who he didn't die in the ring But but he had like all this promise Oh Gerald McClellan,

Speaker 1

03:04

maybe that's 100% are you talking about?

Speaker 2

03:06

Yeah, he

Speaker 1

03:06

was the guy that was a rival for Roy Jones, jr So as Roy Jones jr Was a champ and he was a champ and he fought Nigel Ben and he almost put Nigel Ben out in the first round but they collided heads at 1 point in the fight and Nigel Ben hit him with some real good punches and he went down took a knee and then he went back to his corner and He he quit and they couldn't believe That he like he took a 10 count and everyone's like I can't believe he's taking a 10 count and he went back to his Corner and he was so fucked up That he just yeah, this is him So he had Nigel Benn and all sorts of trouble knocked him out of the ring, right? Nigel Benn Was 1 of the toughest motherfuckers to ever box he got back in the ring and survived So Nigel Ben knocked out of the ring and here's him after that So Jerry McClellan is just empty in the fucking gas tank here Just swinging with everything he had and Jerry McClellan was a fucking murderous puncher. He knocked everybody out.

Speaker 1

04:03

So he was assuming he was about to knock Nigel Benn out too. But Nigel Benn wasn't going anywhere. And so Gerald McClellan got fucking drained and then Nigel started catching him. Look at that, left hook, Nigel catches him.

Speaker 1

04:15

And Gerald tags him again, right hand, uppercut. But Nigel Benn just kept coming. And look, he catches him with that right hand Look at that left hook imagine being that hurt in the first round and Nigel Ben just comes storming out later in the fight Yeah, that's it's crazy the resilience crazy the endurance so Gerald McClellan emptied his gas tank and I just catching him now It Catches him with a big left hook, and at 1 point in time, they collided heads, and it was a bad 1, it was like a bang.

Speaker 2

04:44

And- You think that's what Did it?

Speaker 1

04:45

No, no, no, it was all these punches for sure. But it was like, I think it was a collision of heads as well that someone had identified that was really bad. But he hit him with some fucking bombs.

Speaker 1

04:57

And look, he dropped him again. So Gerald Eventually comes back and drops Nigel again the eighth round and Nigel gets back up And he's like still not going anywhere boom hits him with the left hook. This is after getting dropped again

Speaker 2

05:10

I'm after hitting the motherfucker with everything you got

Speaker 1

05:12

look at this combination boom Nigel over the top of that right hand So that what the point is this was a fucking war and there's another brilliant 1, so we see like where he takes a knee Boom look at that right hand. This is another right hand, so that's where it was that's where he takes a knee

Speaker 2

05:29

This is sad

Speaker 1

05:29

so he decided to stay down So he gets hit he gets I guess he got up for the first 1, right? Is that what they're saying? So he goes down a second time.

Speaker 1

05:42

So this is the second time. And then look, you see him like wincing in pain, like holding his head. And that's when he decided to stay down. And so everybody's like I can't believe he you know He quit on his knee like that.

Speaker 1

05:53

But then he went back into his corner and he slumped and He really never recovered. He went to the hospital and he's alive Still but he's like severely disabled and I believe he's blind

Speaker 2

06:04

What what did it cause like a brain bleed? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1

06:07

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the risk that these guys have taken man I mean, that's a crazy sport You're throwing haymakers at each other with like thick padding over the top of it. And that's him today.

Speaker 1

06:19

And this greatly affected Roy Jones Jr. Too, because you gotta think that Roy and him almost fought, right? Like, that was like a big super fight that people were setting up for the future. And if Roy and him down the line did wind up fighting, that could have been Roy, or that could have been Gerald.

Speaker 1

06:35

Like, it could have been either 1 of

Speaker 2

06:37

them.

Speaker 1

06:38

Like, when 2 guys are that good, and they're swinging the way those guys were at each other.

Speaker 2

06:42

My money would have still been on Roy, though. Roy and his prime was fucking stupid good.

Speaker 1

06:49

He was ridiculous. In his prime, no 1 could touch him. He would win entire rounds without even being hit.

Speaker 2

06:54

To me, you know what I compare Roy to? It's Anderson Silva.

Speaker 1

06:59

Similar in that way, like they were just so dominant for a while.

Speaker 2

07:03

And he would win in such stylish fashion. You know, it wasn't just that he was winning, but he just made you look silly. You know, he was doing movie shit.

Speaker 1

07:12

He was doing movie shit. Roy put his hand behind his back and then knocked the guy out with 1 punch. Put his hand behind his back, ducked, and then popped him with a right hand and knocked him out.

Speaker 2

07:20

But just like both, it's like, eventually it catches up to you, where it's like, you know, it's like you hit an age where you don't realize, but you just a millisecond slower.

Speaker 1

07:28

Yeah, there's that, there's also this other speculation. That speculation is that he went up to heavyweight to fight John Ruiz, and so he had a pack on weight. And then he went back down to light heavyweight, and I think the losing the weight to get back down diminished him severely.

Speaker 1

07:45

And then he fought Antonio Tarver, and Antonio Tarver was a murderous puncher and a motherfucker of a boxer Antonio Tarver could box and he said in the ring to Roy because they had had 1 fight previously where it went to a decision and You know and Roy had some excuses I guess and so he says in the ring for the second fight You got any excuses tonight Roy? The referee goes any questions any questions, and he goes got any excuses tonight Roy and Roy didn't say anything and Tarver Went up knocking him out

Speaker 2

08:15

and then after that he just kept getting knocked out right

Speaker 1

08:17

He got knocked out bad after that.

Speaker 2

08:20

What do you think that is, when after somebody gets knocked out, it's almost like it's easier to knock him out after that?

Speaker 1

08:26

Well, he fought Glenn Johnson after that, who is a very talented contender, who people like, I think Glenn Johnson was a little older at the time and maybe people overlooked him He like he really had great success like later in his career But Glenn Johnson knocked out Roy in a scary Knockout pull that 1 up Glenn Johnson Roy Jones jr. That was a scary 1 because this was after the Tarver 1 But the Tarver 1 he was kind of he was conscious But he was fucked up. I mean Tarver cracked him and he went down, but he was out right?

Speaker 1

09:00

But he was moving around this one's even scarier because he bangs the back of his head when he goes down And this was the comeback fight right and so Glenn Johnson was like a suitable comeback opponent But nobody told Glenn Johnson that like Glenn Johnson came to that fight to win And Glenn Johnson has his high guard. He's like really difficult style to deal with and super, super tough guy. Just very, very skillful. And you know, this was Roy coming off of getting KO'd.

Speaker 1

09:27

And whenever a guy comes off of getting KO'd, the odds of him getting KO'd again go up. I don't know, it depends on the person. Some of them it doesn't go up at all. Some of them it only goes up slightly.

Speaker 1

09:38

But some of them it goes up a lot. For whatever reason, it might be the damage they took from the first knockout. It could be a lot of factors.

Speaker 2

09:45

Look at

Speaker 1

09:45

this, boom, he hits him with that right hand. Look how he goes out. He goes out stiff.

Speaker 1

09:51

He banged his head off the ground. Like watch that again, because it is a fucking brutal series of punches he hits him with. Back here it is. So he gets him up against the ropes, sets him up for the right hand, and boom, he's out.

Speaker 1

10:03

1 hard right hand to the side of the head, and Roy's out. That was a rough 1. But that's nothing like Ray Mercer versus Tommy Marson. You think

Speaker 2

10:11

it's like your brain going, we're not taking any chances?

Speaker 1

10:14

Probably. There's probably something to that. Get Ray Mercer versus Tommy Marson. This 1 was 1 of the worst and this 1 was 1 after the movie So Ray Mercer people thought about him as like this like gold medalist in the Olympics murderous puncher like he was a guy who's on the up like he was coming up and somehow or another they set him up with Tommy Morrison who was a very good boxer and had beaten some good guys, but he was just coming off of this movie So he was the fucking the in the Rocky movies And he's fighting a guy that's just been doing nothing but boxing now Tommy Morrison's a movie star now, and he's a young guy He's got to be distracted I mean he's got to be right focused right and he's fighting a guy that he probably would have lost to Anyway, cuz Ray Mercer was a motherfucker And so Tommy is doing well in the fight for a while, but then Mercer eventually catches him because Tommy starts getting tired.

Speaker 1

11:08

And that's 1 of the things about Tommy Morrison. If you look at Tommy Morrison in the early stages of his fights, he was always better. He would fade. And eventually Ray Mercer catches him and He hits him with that right hand and watch this.

Speaker 1

11:21

Boom. He's in trouble here, right? Boom, boom, boom, boom. Now this is why it's the worst 1 ever.

Speaker 1

11:27

Oh! Bro, he's tangled up in the ropes And the referee is too small to pull Mercer off of him, so he hits him with multiple punches. Why is how cold?

Speaker 2

11:36

Look at this over now

Speaker 1

11:37

referee doesn't get in there look look how he gets in there the referee's just say hey you stop Hey, you he's scared cuz he's a little old guy. He shouldn't be referee in this fight. These are 2 elite heavyweights.

Speaker 1

11:49

These are enormous men. And this poor referee is old, got a little pot belly. He doesn't want to dive in there and get fucking murked.

Speaker 2

11:57

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1

11:58

And so because of that, Tommy Morrison takes haymakers. So he's out cold and Ray Mercer's just full blast, teeing off, and another left hook after that. While the referee was holding onto his arms.

Speaker 1

12:11

Bro. That might be the worst.

Speaker 2

12:14

Did he survive?

Speaker 1

12:15

He lived, but he was never the same boxer again. No, no way. He beat some good guys after that He actually beat George Foreman after that

Speaker 2

12:23

Yeah, old George

Speaker 1

12:24

old George Foreman. He won a decision off of old George Foreman Look at that left hook. Boom.

Speaker 1

12:29

Boom. Boom right hand. I mean, this is horrendous, dude This is we're looking at it from a different angle now. Look at this.

Speaker 1

12:36

I mean, come on man. Boom and then still He's fully out cold that he got hit 4 or 5 times clean. This is like Benny Perrette all over again This easily could have been the end of his life.

Speaker 2

12:49

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1

12:49

Easily could have been and probably changed his brain. Because right here,

Speaker 2

12:53

like, I mean, what is this ref waiting to do?

Speaker 1

12:56

I mean, but seriously dude, like, this probably changed his brain forever. Yeah, I mean, what? This is crazy beating.

Speaker 2

13:03

What is it this ref is waiting to see?

Speaker 1

13:05

I don't know, man. That is a crazy beating.

Speaker 2

13:08

Because when you see a motherfucker getting hit in the face and they're not trying to stop it, the fight's over.

Speaker 1

13:12

You need a big referee with big men. You need someone who can separate those

Speaker 2

13:17

guys. You need Herb Dean. That motherfucker, he be diving in like he diving from first base.

Speaker 1

13:21

Mark Goddard. Mark Goddard's a big guy. Big John McCarthy was always great at it.

Speaker 1

13:26

He's a big guy. You want a big guy for big guys.