- The conversation discusses the ongoing struggles and violence faced by the people of Gaza and Palestine.
- The speaker emphasizes the ignorance and apathy of the Western media and government towards the Palestinian plight.
- The conversation highlights the ongoing violence and aggression by Israel, and the lack of accountability from the United States.
- The speaker urges people to look beyond the headlines and understand the broader issue of Palestinian existence and the ongoing occupation.

- The piece discusses the absence of Palestinian voices in discussions about their fate
- It highlights the frustration and trauma felt by Palestinians in the diaspora
- The story of journalist Wael al-Dahdouh is shared, including the loss of his family and his continued reporting on the situation in Gaza
- The impact of the ongoing conflict on the 2 million people living in Gaza is described, including the regular bombardment and restrictions on daily life

- The speaker describes the devastating impact of the ongoing conflict in Gaza, with children growing up in a constant state of fear and trauma.
- They highlight the suffering and loss experienced by the people of Gaza, including the destruction of schools and cultural institutions.
- The speaker criticizes the lack of attention and empathy for the Palestinian people, calling for an end to the occupation and apartheid policies.
- They argue that acts of kindness are not enough, and that true justice and self-determination for Palestinians are necessary for lasting peace.

- The speaker believes that peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of justice
- They argue that occupation and apartheid are unjust and violent
- They highlight the need for international bodies to hold parties accountable for acts of aggression and injustice
- The speaker criticizes the lack of accountability for Israel's actions and the impact of US support
- They call for moral consistency and proper investigation of violence against innocent populations
- The speaker expresses frustration and a feeling of dehumanization and bigotry experienced by Palestinians and Muslims in the US

- The speaker attended the funeral of a 6-year-old Palestinian American boy who was killed in a hate crime
- The attacker was motivated by anti-Palestinian propaganda and Islamophobia
- The media's focus on potential Muslim violence overshadowed the actual hate crime
- The boy's tragic death was not given the same attention as other similar crimes
- The speaker highlights the hypocrisy in condemning violence against certain groups while ignoring or justifying violence against others

- The speaker criticizes the lack of condemnation for Israeli actions and calls for a ceasefire in Palestine
- They express anger and sadness at the ongoing violence and lack of international accountability
- The United States is accused of funding and enabling the genocide in Palestine
- Joe Biden is criticized for his failure to address the Palestinian perspective and lack of empathy
- The speaker calls for accountability and warns that the Muslim community will not support those involved in the dehumanization of Palestinians

- The speaker does not support Donald Trump or Joe Biden
- He criticizes the US for its failed democracy and its treatment of the Muslim community and Palestine
- He calls for politicians to be held accountable for their actions at the polls
- He criticizes both political parties for their lack of action on the Israel-Palestine conflict
- He highlights the lack of media coverage for pro-Palestine rallies
- He notes the diverse and multi-faith support for Palestine at protests
- He criticizes the presence of individuals at protests who go against the messaging of the protest

- Discussion of ongoing struggles and violence faced by people of Gaza and Palestine
- Emphasis on ignorance and apathy of Western media and government towards Palestinian plight
- Highlight of ongoing violence and aggression by Israel, lack of US accountability
- Urging people to understand broader issue of Palestinian existence and occupation
- Absence of Palestinian voices in discussions about their fate
- Frustration and trauma felt by Palestinians in diaspora
- Impact of conflict on 2 million people in Gaza, including regular bombardment and restrictions on daily life
- Criticism of lack of attention and empathy for Palestinian people, call for end to occupation and apartheid policies
- Call for true justice and self-determination for Palestinians
- Criticism of lack of accountability for Israel's actions and US support
- Expression of frustration and dehumanization experienced by Palestinians and Muslims in US
- Criticism of lack of condemnation for Israeli actions and call for ceasefire in Palestine
- Accusation of US funding and enabling of genocide in Palestine
- Criticism of Joe Biden for failure to address Palestinian perspective and lack of empathy
- Call for accountability and warning that Muslim community will not support dehumanization of Palestinians
- Criticism of US democracy, treatment of Muslim community and Palestine
- Call for politicians to be held accountable at the polls
- Criticism of both political parties for lack of action on Israel-Palestine conflict
- Highlight of lack of media coverage for pro-Palestine rallies
- Noting diverse and multi-faith support for Palestine at protests
- Criticism of individuals at protests who go against the messaging of the protest

- The speaker discusses the presence of individuals at protests who disrupt the messaging and shift attention away from the main cause
- They highlight the use of skunk water by IDF soldiers on Palestinian protesters at Columbia University
- The speaker emphasizes that the pro-Palestine movement is not anti-Semitic, but rather focused on ending the occupation and genocide
- They acknowledge the rise of anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim hate in the US and condemn it
- The speaker criticizes Benjamin Netanyahu for his policies and motives, stating that the problem lies in the occupation, not just the leader

- The speaker criticizes Yair Lapid and Benjamin Netanyahu for their treatment of the Palestinian people
- They argue that Israel has a responsibility to protect those it occupies, not just defend its borders
- The speaker believes that Israel's control over Gaza and the West Bank constitutes an occupation, and that the dehumanization of Palestinians is at the root of the problem
- They also criticize the US and UK for their response to Yemen's Houthi rebels attacking Israel, and highlight the issue of Palestinian child prisoners
- The speaker calls for a shift in the discourse surrounding the Palestinian issue and a focus on addressing the root causes of the occupation and dehumanization.

- The speaker argues that the dehumanization of Palestinians must be addressed in addition to the occupation
- The Abraham Accords are criticized for excluding Palestine and using the name of Abraham for arms deals
- The effectiveness of peace agreements that include the Palestinian people is discussed
- The different approaches to resistance by MLK and Malcolm X are analyzed, with a focus on Malcolm's understanding of state violence and imperialism
- The importance of self-determination and the growth of Palestinian consciousness is emphasized
- The majority of Palestinians supporting attacks is explained as a result of living under occupation and facing ongoing hardships
- The power dynamics between Israel and Palestine are highlighted, with a focus on Israeli control and restrictions on Palestinian movement.

- The Israeli government holds all the power in the region and has the ability to dominate and expand its own territory while diminishing Palestinian territory.
- The majority of the Israeli public does not support a two-state solution and does not care about the plight of the Palestinian people.
- The urgency is to focus on ending the atrocity and ensuring the Palestinian people have a life.
- The idea that other nations in the region should take in Palestinian refugees is offensive and driven by bigotry.
- Palestinians in Gaza are blockaded from all directions and cannot flee, but they do not want to leave their land.

- The speaker discusses the destruction and displacement of Palestinians in Gaza
- They express gratitude for not being in the same situation, but also guilt for those who are
- The speaker emphasizes the significance of Palestine as a holy land for multiple religions
- They discuss the similarities and differences in the teachings of prophets in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism
- The speaker expresses frustration with the lack of support for Palestinians, particularly from Christian Zionists

- The speaker is calling attention to the morally outrageous situation happening and urges more voices to speak out against it.
- They discuss the misconception of Islam as a violent religion and emphasize the peaceful nature of Islam and its contributions to history.
- The importance of Al-Aqsa Mosque to Muslims is highlighted, as well as the current interest in Islam among young people in the United States.

- The speaker discusses disruptions at protests and the use of skunk water on Palestinian protesters
- They emphasize the pro-Palestine movement is not anti-Semitic and condemn rising hate
- Criticizes Netanyahu's policies, treatment of Palestinians, and calls for a shift in discourse
- Discusses power dynamics, urgency to end atrocities, and lack of support for Palestinians
- Highlights the significance of Palestine as a holy land for multiple religions and the peaceful nature of Islam

- Many people are converting to Islam and gaining an appreciation for the faith
- To learn about Islam, visit Islamic websites or go to a mosque and ask questions
- Converting to Islam involves testifying to the oneness of God and the finality of Prophet Muhammad, and embracing the 6 articles of faith
- This Ramadan is anticipated to be difficult due to the ongoing aggression in Gaza
- The Quranic verse "Your Lord does not forget" provides hope and resilience for the future
- The speaker hopes for a shift towards global cooperation and away from nationalism and statehood

- The nation state model and nationalism are becoming unsustainable due to refugee populations, fanaticism, fascism, and climate displacement
- We need to function as a world rather than as nations and states, and see people as people
- The speaker finds strength and hope in their belief in a greater plan from a creator and the resilience of the people of Gaza and Palestinians worldwide
- The interviewer expresses gratitude and friendship towards the speaker
- The conversation ends with a quote from Martin Luther King Jr. about the arc of the moral universe bending towards justice

- Many people are converting to Islam and gaining an appreciation for the faith
- To learn about Islam, visit Islamic websites or go to a mosque and ask questions
- Converting to Islam involves testifying to the oneness of God and the finality of Prophet Muhammad, and embracing the 6 articles of faith
- This Ramadan is anticipated to be difficult due to the ongoing aggression in Gaza
- The Quranic verse "Your Lord does not forget" provides hope and resilience for the future
- The speaker hopes for a shift towards global cooperation and away from nationalism and statehood
- The nation state model and nationalism are becoming unsustainable due to refugee populations, fanaticism, fascism, and climate displacement
- We need to function as a world rather than as nations and states, and see people as people
- The speaker finds strength and hope in their belief in a greater plan from a creator and the resilience of the people of Gaza and Palestinians worldwide
- The interviewer expresses gratitude and friendship towards the speaker
- The conversation ends with a quote from Martin Luther King Jr. about the arc of the moral universe bending towards justice

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You always know when you live in Gaza that it's only a matter of time before the next bombs drop, you know, if you're in Gaza that you are waiting for your death, people dream about going out in the world and pursuing education.

People dream about going out in the world and pursuing education.

People dream about going out in the world and pursuing economic opportunity.

In Gaza, your idea of opportunity is an opportunity to see the next year.

And so when we talk about, you know, this not existing in a vacuum, if people only hear about Gaza on October 7th, that is a major part of the problem.

And that is again, part of the problem of our ignorance and our apathy, right?

Why is it that the plight of the people of Gaza is not brought up until an attack happens on Israel?

The following is a conversation with Imam Dr.

Omar Suleiman, his second time on the podcast.

He is a Palestinian American, a Muslim scholar, a civil rights leader, president of the Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research, and is 1 of the most influential Muslims in the world.

Our previous conversation was focused on Islam.

This time, the focus was on Gaza and Palestine.

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And now, dear friends, here's Omar Suleiman.

What did you think, feel, and pray for in the days that followed October 7th?

I think the first feeling was that there's going to be a lot of death and destruction in Gaza as a result, right?

We always kind of see this where 1 Israeli casualty leads to hundreds of Palestinian casualties, right?

So it's a pretty familiar cycle in some ways where there are daily transgressions against Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza.

The checkpoints, the aggression on Masjid al-Aqsa, the settlements expanding the stories of Palestinian death, and then you have rockets fired from Gaza, and that's when the Western press catches up and starts to cover it.

Israel responds with Hellfire missiles, white phosphorus bombs, and the casualties are wildly disproportionate.

And so I think that, you know, I wasn't surprised.

I prayed for the people that I knew were going to bear the brunt of this outbreak, but the outbreak was predictable.

Our Palestinian casualties are always your footnotes.

The daily humiliation of occupation ignored.

The aggression by settlers and soldiers alike on holy sites and souls.

The annihilation of entire families that follows.

The devastation of whatever scraps remain in the open-air prison of Gaza unsustainable and inhumane So if you're waking up to a sudden interest in the region and want to know what's been happening dig a bit deeper than 2 weeks and try to read beyond the headlines of a media that has been dehumanizing us for decades.

If you've been watching what's been unfolding before October 7th, 2021, Human Rights Watch puts out the report, Threshold Reached.

Amnesty International 2022, the crime of apartheid, showing how all of the legal determinations of apartheid have been reached.

The occupation is only getting more aggressive.

Shireen Abouakle, a Palestinian-American journalist, is shot dead in 2022 in front of the world.

The United States says initially that if it is shown that Israel was complicit or that Israel carried out the execution, then there will be consequences.

Of course, once It was shown that Israel was indeed responsible for the bullet that killed Shireen Abu Akhla, the United States did absolutely nothing.

The Palber's were beaten, her casket almost fell.

The aggression against worshipers in Al-Aqsa is getting worse.

You have the flag march, the Jerusalem flag march, where extremist settlers are let loose and wild on Palestinians by the thousands chanting things like Mohammed is dead, we're going to murder you Arabs, all with the protection of the state with Israeli soldiers.

And throughout this time, it's like something bad is gonna happen and then 2023 comes along.

You had 13,000 settler units in 2023, a plan of 13,000 settler units, the most in the history of the occupation, the most racist and extremist government, Israeli government that you have ever had.

And people don't realize that in 2023 alone, over 600 Palestinians had already been killed.

And so if you wonder why the American public sees this so much differently than the rest of the world, it's because American media shows the American public something so much different than what the rest of the world has shown.

And so I, I think that as we're watching that, you know, it's important for us to actually interrogate the ignorance that people have of the Palestinian plight, the ignorance of the root causes of this violence, the ignorance of the occupation.

And also ask yourselves, you know, why is it that Israel can violate every single international law on the books, have all these determinations and the United States keeps on issuing these inconsequential statements while also at the same time funding these aggressions.

The United States will issue statement after statement, stop the settler violence, stop the incursions on Masjid al-Aqsa, stop violating the people in Jerusalem, stop trying to wipe out the Palestinian people, stop openly saying, you know, that there is no 2 state solution, that we will never allow a Palestinian state to be established.

But at the same time, here's your $3 billion check.

And, if the United Nations issues any sort of resolution against Israel, or if any international body tries to hold Israel accountable, the United States stands in the way of any accountability.

And so I always tell people, read beyond the headlines.

Even now, with the backdrop of a genocide, over 30,000 people have been killed.

If you open the front page of most American mainstream sites, you will see stories about the hostages, the Israeli hostages.

You will see stories about October 7th, but October 8th is missing.

And you'll barely have a story that shows up every once in a while that is still very much so controlled by the Israeli propaganda machine, because while Israel kills Palestinian journalists, It also makes sure that American journalists are only able to tell a certain story.

They're only able to see Gaza from a certain perspective.

They're only able to speak about Gaza from a certain perspective.

And this is well documented that they have to review their media tapes with Israel before they can publicize them.

And so this is state propaganda at this point.

The mainstream media and the United States government are in lockstep telling a very skewed story.

And that is leading to a greater sense of frustration.

And I think the American public has been wronged as well, by not knowing what's happening.

It is the West Bank, it is the Palestinian people broadly.

You can't disconnect Gaza from Palestine.

You can't disconnect the West Bank from Palestine.

You can't disconnect Jerusalem from Palestine.

And you can't disconnect the very human story from the political plight.

You interviewed Mohammed al-Qurd, met him.

What did the world do when it saw the images of the Kurd household being taken over by a guy from Brooklyn or Long Island who just shows up and lays claim to their home.

What did the world do when American settlers suddenly decided they could walk into historic Palestinian homes and throw people out of their homes?

And so, yes, this is very much so connected to the broader issue of Palestinian existence.

If you realize here, we are erased in peace and we are erased in war.

In peace, it's the Abraham Accords, agreements between Israel and its Arab neighbors, which is supposedly to solve the Palestinian problem.

The Palestinians are absent from their own fate, from discussions about their own fate.

Where are the Palestinian people, the millions of Palestinian people that have either been removed from their land or are being tormented on their land?

What are the Palestinians in the Diaspora feeling?

I think deeply frustrated, a great sense of anger, sadness.

Every single Palestinian right now knows someone that's been killed.

Every single Palestinian is a part of a story of displacement or destruction.

Every single Palestinian has a relative that's either missing a limb or a loved 1.

Every single Palestinian in the world is traumatized by this.

And in some ways being outside of Palestine, being away from it all hurts even more because you see your people being killed and starved and brutalized and slaughtered, and you can't do anything about it.

And the people around you are justifying that slaughter.

If you turn on a TV or if you open a mainstream news site, these sites are justifying your slaughter and people are being killed over there because they look like me, because they're Palestinian like I'm Palestinian.

So we're watching this in diaspora with agony.

We can't go, we can't heal our loved ones.

We can't comfort the people that are there.

I recently spoke to a doctor who's lost 75 relatives, 75 relatives in Gaza, and he's a medical doctor.

And all he wants to do is get in there and just use his medical expertise to help his people, and he can't.

And so we're watching it from afar, but our hearts are there.

They are in the buildings that are being destroyed.

They're in the hospitals that are being bombed.

They are there and they are with the people.

You're somebody who's always rushed into the midst of a crisis.

So what does it feel like on a personal level to not be able to do that here, to go to Gaza to help?

I mean, when any group of people are killed, my instinct, and I think a lot of people is to go there to help, whether it's a natural disaster or especially after an incident of terror, wherever it is, right.

It's rushed there and do the best that you can to help people get through it.

So it's been extremely hard to watch this from afar and feel like I can't do anything about it.

And so that's why instead I think that most of us are driven to continue to be the voice of the voiceless.

You know, I always say that if they've made them faceless, they can't make us voiceless.

They have reduced our casualties in Palestine to a number.

The number is hundreds a day, over 30,000 people.

The fact that they've been turned into faceless numbers with no stories, with no humanity, makes it that much more important for us to tell their stories here, and to remind the world that you've lost your humanity if you can watch this unfold and not even have the decency to call for a ceasefire.

I mean, that's where we've reached, That's how low it is right now.

Calling for a ceasefire has now become radical.

So we have to remind the world that if you're okay with the demolition of an entire town or a city or whatever it is that you want to call Gaza, because it wasn't always the Gaza Strip.

But if you're okay with this and you're okay with this casualty count every single day, it's not just them who are being killed, it's your hearts that are dying.

Martin Luther King Jr., and I mentioned this, he wrote about Vietnam, he said that if America was to succumb to its spiritual death, the autopsy would read Vietnam.

Speaking of the people, the faces, the voices, 1 of the people you've talked about, you've posted about, you've written about is Wael Al-Dahdouh, him being hospitalized.

He's a Palestinian journalist and the bureau chief of Al Jazeera in Gaza City.

If Wael al-Dahdouh wasn't Palestinian, he'd be on the cover of Time Magazine right now.

He would be the most celebrated journalist in the world.

He has seen the worst of the occupation before he's seen the worst of the genocide.

While on TV, I mean, and this is, this is insane when you think about it.

We have over a hundred journalists now, right?

That's more than any conflict in history that have been killed.

And there is sufficient evidence by international watchdogs that this is intentional, that journalists have been killed intentionally, but then their families while it was reporting on TV, when an airstrike hits his wife, 2 kids and a grandchild, He goes to the scene and he said this, you know, you never expect as a journalist to be the subject of the story.

Suddenly the camera's on him mourning over his dead wife and kids and grandkid.

And he's saying, He even says in Arabic, he says, they're taking it out on our children.

You know, I've heard this from multiple people that have had relatives targeted that I wish it was me instead.

He gets back on camera the same day because he feels a responsibility to continue to cover the lives of the people of Gaza.

He understands that his story, as devastating as it is, is not unique in regards to the people of Gaza, that there are many people whose families have been killed in airstrikes.

All 2 million people have been traumatized in some way.

And so he gets back on camera, tells the story again, and then he is targeted himself.

His arm struck, his cameraman, Samer Abu Dhaqqa dies in front of him.

And while any aid workers try to reach them in the building that they were in, snipers would shoot all of those that were rushing to Samar.

So he watches his cameraman and 1 of his best friends bleed out to death.

While he goes to the hospital, his arm is wrapped up, gets treatment.

He's back on gets treatment, he's back on camera the next day.

another child is killed again with his friend in a car.

His son is driving and his son and his best friend are hitting an airstrike.

Wa'ed leads the funeral prayer, is back on camera again and speaks with such dignity, with such compassion.

You know, 1 of the things that always gets to me as, as a Palestinian, right, and as a Muslim too, is that we are portrayed to be these beasts and savages.

Tell me a man that would be put through what Wael was put through and still stand on that pulpit and in front of the world with such dignity, with such grace, continues to tell the story.

Wael has become a hero to many of us and he would be a hero in a world that wasn't anti-Palestinian.

And unfortunately, Wael has not only lost his family, he's not only lost much of his own existence, but Wael is part of the greater story of Eurasia.

So even though he's telling the story of the people of Gaza, and he is the story of the people of Gaza, most people will never learn about Wael al-Dahdouh.

You have posted videos and written about what is happening in Gaza since October 7th.

What has been happening there, the individual stories and the broader impact on the 2000000 people there?

Gaza has been described as the world's largest open-air prison.

Unemployment, blockaded from all directions, no airport, regular added restrictions placed even on their ability to fish.

So every aspect of resident life has been under occupation.

I would argue that it's an injustice to even call it an open-air prison because inmates are not bombed in prisons routinely by the most sophisticated weapons in the world.

Regular bombardment of Gaza, every single person in Gaza has lived through multiple rounds of bombardment.

You know, I remember in 2021, there was an image that I will never forget of children having to go back to school after the bombardment of 2021.

And next to them, they would have the empty chairs and the posters of the child that used to sit in that chair.

I think what encapsulates it most for me, an image that I grew up with was the image of Muhammad al-Durra, who was in his father's lap over 20 years ago, and his father was begging for Israel to spare his child, and Muhammad was murdered in his lap.

And you know what happened this last round?

So Muhammad's brothers were murdered and his father's been on the run.

Every single person in Gaza has witnessed multiple wars, has witnessed the greatest suffocation of occupation, has even had their diets restricted and has suffered under Israel state policy, which is called mowing the lawn.

This is what Israeli ministers refer to as routine bombardment of Gaza, mowing the lawn, which shows you that before they called us animals, they considered us insects.

And unfortunately, the casualty counts get higher and higher every time, and people become more and more desperate, more and more helpless.

Gaza has been, unfortunately, the worst manifestation of anti-Palestinian bigotry.

It's already, I mean, 60% of the population is a refugee population.

What that means, and people do need to understand this, is that people move to Gaza from other parts of occupied territory to find refuge.

And we're practically living on top of each other.

There are people that are in the Gaza Strip that know that they had homes right beyond that apartheid wall and those homes were stolen from them and they can't even enter that territory anymore.

And they know that on the other side of that wall, there's life.

On the other side of that wall, there's opportunity.

On the other side of that wall, you have a passport, you have an airport, you have the ability to travel, you have the ability to export and import.

You can dream, but behind that wall, you are to live until the next airstrike.

You are to live until Israel mows the lawn again and hope that you're not part of the grass.

That's what Gaza has been all of these years.

is very difficult to flourish when you're just waiting for more bombardment.

Because you know that it's around the corner.

You always know when you live in Gaza that it's only a matter of time before the next bombs drop.

You know if you're in Gaza that you are waiting for your death.

And so when we talk about this not existing in a vacuum, if people only hear about Gaza on October 7th, that is a major part of the problem.

And that is, again, part of the problem of our ignorance and our apathy, right?

I've gotten a chance to witness a destroyed school in Ukraine.

It's something that is really difficult to see.

You have over a hundred destroyed mosques.

Every university in Gaza has been demolished.

We're seeing TikTok videos of Israeli soldiers laughing and singing as they press a button and we see the demolition of every single university in Gaza.

I want you to think about what you saw in Ukraine.

Look, imagine coming back to school in Gaza in some destroyed building.

If you've ever seen what white phosphorus does to a person, there's a reason why it's a war crime.

Your mom's dead, your dad's dead, all of your uncles and aunts are dead, all of your siblings are dead.

Somehow you got pulled out of the rubble.

You know, in my own family, my father's in-laws, my father remarried after my mother passed away, and they're in Gaza.

All of them were killed in an airstrike, except for an elderly aunt who somehow made it out of the rubble a day later.

If you're a child that's been pulled out of the rubble, what are you going to grow up with?

And then you have racist commentators that say, they could have turned that into a Singapore.

The Palestinians are the authors of their own destruction because if they wanted to, they could have turned this into a place of prosperity.

But they keep on bringing destruction upon themselves.

And again, this idea that Palestinians are savages, they're animals, and the only way to deal with them is to continuously mow the lawn while simultaneously expanding the occupation and erasing anything that was ever called Palestine and any human being that was ever called a Palestinian.

So those kids growing up in Gaza now, to you, they have almost no choice but

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