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The following is a conversation with Ye, the legendary artist, producer, and designer formerly known as Kanye West. On this, the Lex Friedman Podcast.

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Based off of our connection and just you being a friend, I need to show you my 2 tech companies and get your perspective on it. Because now I have friends that can give perspective. Like when I would work on albums, I had other friends that worked on albums and they would give me their perspectives on

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00:28

it. You want to do this?

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We are doing it, this is part of it. This is part of it? Absolutely.

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00:32

All right, beautiful. Oh, well, I wanted to finish, the thing is, okay, you're gonna ask me different questions, but I'm about growing and building and bringing the idea to life. So when I see you, I say, oh, this guy understands how to hire engineers. Where I'm coming from, coming from Hollywood, coming from press, coming from media, all of the guys that, so many of the guys that have been like voices and faces and talking heads, whatever, have not understood how to engineer product.

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01:03

And that's the reason why I was able to jump past everyone in the entertainment field and become, you know, whatever the net worth is, 11 billion. I'm gonna stop putting the whole black thing on my worth. Like, let's just see where I am on the scale of life because that's a cop-out for me to say, Rich is a black guy of all time, because that's feeding into the same, you know, trauma economy that Black Lives Matter feeds into. That's why I love and respect engineers.

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01:32

That's the only thing that we really need to teach in school is engineering. We don't need to teach history. We don't need to teach anything that is subjective. It needs to only be engineering taught in school and everything else needs to be recess.

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01:49

Nothing at all, any forced subjective information is just to weaken and indoctrinate our species, and that's what schools do now.

Speaker 1

01:59

As an engineer, I love hearing you say that, but to push back, history is not, the interpretation of history might be subjective, but history has some facts, and they're useful to give a grounding to the way you do engineering.

Speaker 2

02:13

I don't 100% believe in anything, any concept of the future or any concept of history, because history was just written by the victors. Yeah, that's right. So if I see stuff happen on the day that later that day is reported wrong, so how wrong is something reported a thousand years ago?

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02:32

And why would we argue about something that's not in the now? Because that's the only thing that everyone can agree upon, is that it is now, right now.

Speaker 1

02:43

Yeah, well, you try not to make the mistakes of the past. That's the usefulness of history, the limited usefulness of history.

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02:49

The biggest mistake from the past that we keep making is looking at the past. Too much,

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giving too much value to the past.

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02:56

Too much value to the past, we are now. We are now, we are here, we are 1 species, we are 1 race, we're here, and it's time, and the leadership is changing because you have Elon as a leader, Ye as a leader, and we are the top leaders. We're more influential than the presidents.

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So you're a human being with engineering challenges before you, with a stem player, with parlor. What's the hardest thing in front of you on the engineering front?

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That's the first sentence that any of our species needs to hear when they're born. You are a human being with engineering challenges, and I consider challenges to be opportunities in front of you. Literally, like, let me see a piece of paper, I need to write that down.

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03:43

That's the beginning of our new species constitution. I'm gonna do the paper like this wide, put it in widescreen. This for Ridley. You are, No, let me like, you

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are

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a being

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In-ge-neering.

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Opportunities or challenges? Opportunities.

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I'm sorry, I don't spell as good as John Legend. Opportunities in before you. I like the before, cause it can mean, actually can mean forward or before you.

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04:48

This right here, I've always said I'm the top 5 writer in human existence, but this right here is pushing me to like number 4 or number 3. It's a

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good 1.

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04:59

Because who would you say is the top, it's top writer in human history, we know who it is.

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05:03

That's subjective. Who's that?

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It's factual though. It's like, okay, who's the top person in tech history? It's not subjective.

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05:11

Wow. There's a non-subjective answer to both of those. Both of those people have influenced 30% of our existence.

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So the influence is the main metric of greatness.

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05:27

Okay, 1 person, 30% of our language was, the English language was written by them, the other person, 30% of the products we used was led by them. So it's obvious. 30% of

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our language was written

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by, oh, Shakespeare. And then the product, product, product, product. Look, look.

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05:43

Steve Jobs.

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05:44

Yeah. You put Steve above like Eons of the world? Because Steve is a designer, not, he's a designer and engineer, but he's a designer, he's a visionary in the design space.

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05:55

Well, I would lean to him because I'm not an engineer, right, so I'm more like.

Speaker 1

05:58

But then you're an engineer. If Steve is an engineer, you're an engineer, essentially.

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06:03

He's a cultural engineer. Like the people who run the emotions of the world and run the world off of people's emotions right now are social engineers. And social engineering is so important, like city design.

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06:17

There's a fancier word for that. But I was in Oxnard last night to see Anthony Jeselnik, and I gotta find out what his opening joke was because I'm doing interviews and I'm thinking I'm funny. And I like that he said, he just kept on saying 20 year anniversary, I've been doing this for 20 years. And his opening joke was so high level, I realized that I wasn't funny.

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06:45

I realized that this dude is a professional at what he does and so many things are subjective. I always talk about this, it's like, you know how people are arguing like, is Emily Ratajkowski the hottest, you know, person? And I'm like, That's such a subjective thing, but if you go and shoot 3 pointers with Steph Curry, it's not subjective, right? Or if you go and compare bank accounts with Elon, it's not subjective.

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And another thing that's not Subjective, porn. What about it? Dick size, it's not subjective, you can measure.

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But porn is more about, more than just dick size and greatness is more than the size of the bank account. So there's a subjective on it. But greatness

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is subjective though.

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07:36

Right, so do you care about the stuff that's objective or subjective more? Because Greatness to me is what matters. The bank account comes and goes.

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The impact on our society, like you said, social engineering, the impact on the collective intelligence of our species, that what permeates throughout the rest of time.

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08:00

I like what you said, the impact, I'm taking notes. How did you, what'd you say? The impact

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of- On the collective intelligence of our species.

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The impact on the

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collective

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intelligence. When Ye is writing down the words that came out of my dumb mouth, I have made it in life.

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There's a lot of people that have kind of like sat through, I wanted to wear a different color hoodie because I was just tired of saying this hoodie in all the interviews. And there's a lot of kids that are with me, they see what I'm saying. And they had to sit through all of the muck of all the previous interviews to get to this.

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08:50

Every interview has been just an emotional, it's just like been an argument up to this point. This is the first of, this is the next frontier of where our species is gonna head. It starts here. It starts with you, Lex.

Speaker 1

09:12

So this is the first time I heard you say the word engineering at least so many times, which I love hearing. So this is where you're at. You're like that newborn.

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09:22

You're a being with engineering opportunities.

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09:25

Yeah, and we're all a newborn, because in Christianity we say born again. We're all newborns, and everyone can, everyone shall, I don't like the word, can, shall, my only thing about shall is like, it kind of dictates and can kind of lets people off the hook. So I haven't found the perfect post Shakespeare and post Steve Jobs and post Elon and post Ye and post Drake way to communicate this.

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09:56

But we update and we do. And what the current media structure, no, it's not actually nothing that's holding us, there's nothing actually holding us back because I'm still alive. I'm still alive. Like, they could have killed me at, Beyonce had the best video, but we're here now.

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10:21

So we just keep on leaning and leaning and leaning and there's these things where I just think about, you know, there'll be times when I'm at war And every now and then when the bombs stop going off and all the headlines and the smearing and all that stop going off, I think about my family and I'll think about Kim and I'll think about how King Koopa has her in the castle right now and just on Mario Brothers, you know how it is, just go for the princess and you get to this level and it's like, da da da da, I sung the song wrong, right? And then they take the princess again.

Speaker 1

11:01

Which 1 are you, Mario? Yeah. What's your favorite thing, the thing you love the most about Kim, from a Mario perspective and the princess?

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11:15

Looking back, was there a moment? She's definitely my favorite of all time.

Speaker 1

11:20

Yeah, was there a moment that, you know, like that catches you off guard and you say, I love this human being?

Speaker 2

11:35

Yeah, I mean, it's just the DNA is like, she's a mix of Rob and Chris.

Speaker 1

11:45

Can you explain?

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11:47

I mean, that's like a really high pool right there. Those are like 2 geniuses.

Speaker 1

11:58

So, okay, So like the entire history of evolution of the human species created this DNA, they created this being, there's a life there, there's a set of memories and a history that brought you together and you're like, damn, I like this DNA.

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12:15

Yeah, certain people have just like high DNA. Ivanka Trump has high DNA.

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12:22

You know, it's like- How's your DNA?

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12:25

Pretty good? I think we've seen that, it's been proven. I mean, but look at my mom and look at my dad.

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12:32

You know, me and my dad have a water purification center in the DR right now. And my dad is the original Steve Jobs. And he was blocked by people around him and people were using him and taking advantage and not believing in his vision, my dad's the educated version of Ye. What'd you learn about life from your dad?

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12:55

My dad got girls too.

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12:57

But those are small details.

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12:58

That's a big detail, being that I found my dad's Playboy when I was 5 years old, it greatly affected my motivation.

Speaker 1

13:09

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So that's part of the engine that drives Ye.

Speaker 2

13:12

Absolutely. I remember when Pharrell was first in all the videos, And my girl was like, girls like Pharrell. And I was like, I want girls to like me too.

Speaker 1

13:23

Funny that that's behind all the ambition, all the drive. It's how we make people.

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13:30

It's how people are made.

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13:32

It's the desire to be loved. Is that at

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13:36

the individual level just being noticed and also at the societal level of scale?

Speaker 2

13:41

Well now, I've gone past, I'm like at that place where Nikolai Tesla was later into his career where it wasn't about being loved, it wasn't about sitting at the dinner parties next to Anna Wintour and stuff. It was about getting the idea across. So I have these cells that are very, and I just keep on saying Ridley Scott, but Ridley Scott has a special anointing.

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14:16

It isn't just sci-fi what he's doing. There's something in there, just like George Lucas. There's something different that's there. So.

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14:30

What are you drawing? I'm drawing these new living cells that we will exist in. And this is over, okay, let's do like, I don't like talking about money because man-made money, anyway, is like 4 quadrillion respected dollars and then you have other forms of currency. Of course, social currency is super important right now.

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14:58

But this is a drawing and it's at a pretty good place now. This will be 40,000 square feet. I wanna start just talking in meters. I just think we should go to anything to restore the Tower of Basel.

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15:15

Like they said when the, I'm just drawing a person here for scale.

Speaker 3

15:21

Yeah, that would help. Okay.

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15:25

What do you think of that? Look at my person, see the scale in this room?

Speaker 1

15:29

All right, So. Wait, the dot is the person?

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15:33

Yeah. I'm saying it's 40,000 square feet. But that would be like. What are

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15:39

the other parts of the cell?

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15:41

Okay, so it's a screen. It doesn't go all the way to the top and it's 1 hole for light. But the water and the light and air all come in from the top, so that's like the mouth.

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15:54

And then this is the belly button. We're God's iPhone, we're his greatest creation.

Speaker 1

16:00

So this is all connected? These are all connected?

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16:03

Yeah, so I'm drawing how these other cells go next to each other.

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What's the vision here?

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16:09

Happiness. Then we talk about what's the motivation? Like yeah, there's a motivation somewhere in the back of my mind of my family. And if it's like where Moses smithed the rock and God didn't allow him to get to the promised land, Because the promised land is family.

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16:32

That is the promised land. That is Earth. I mean, that is heaven on earth is family. Family is heaven.

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16:38

That's the promised land. And for your family to be together. So say I smite the rock and God doesn't let me have my family back. My mission in life is still to promote families at all costs and make families' existence easier.

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17:00

So you take this thing, you put a localized farm, say if it's in a community, that we do localized growing, and then we partner with big farmer, and say, hey, you're actually gonna make more money by making better food. Because at the end of the day, you want money right now. It's like everyone knows that between the pesticides and between the medical industry, and especially America, that we're keeping people sick. And we know that McDonald's makes food that kills people, and Coca-Cola's selling sugar water and all this.

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17:34

Just in case I haven't pissed off enough people in power.

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17:37

Yeah. Okay, so. You're gonna piss off the

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17:39

sugar, anybody that's powered on sugar.

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17:41

Sugar, well, Sugar, What's the Health? Was actually a documentary on sugar. It wasn't about how bad meat was.

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17:50

It was like a reverse documentary on sugar. A reverse, I don't know if you call it a reverse, like a sub, but if you watch it again, when they show sugar in it, it's just, the sugar looks super clean.

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18:02

Yeah, it's just

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18:03

like. So as I state these things, I know that, I know I have protection. If I have God's protection, that's why I'm here to this date, right? So It's for me to have this platform and express exactly what I feel because it's kids out there, right?

Speaker 2

18:24

That it's kids that are gonna save the world through engineering and through facts. And I've gotta get download as much of the information and as much of the don't be afraid to state your facts is the biggest thing because the world is being ran by fear and that is, no actually God runs the world but there's just like little cloud, this patina of our ego that deals with the money and the car and the girl we're dating and all this in the clothes you wear and spending too much on clothes. And a lot of stuff that I've been involved with promoting. So now what I'm promoting is you have the idea, you say it out loud, Like if you had Tourette's, say your truth out loud.

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19:06

If you hate, yay, you hate me, say that out loud. Say whatever you feel out loud. Like you say it non-violently, you know, non-violent. Non-violent, I have to say that like as, you know, as a shout out to Alex Jones and Trump where they try to say that when they say their truths out loud that it's inciting violence.

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19:27

So let's be really clear. I'm saying that they have criminalized free thought. I hate when people use they, like they gets the blame for everything, right? It's always they.

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19:41

Who the fuck is they exactly?

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19:43

The problem is they is us. Yeah, well,

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19:46

I love that. What we needed to do is turn I to we, so we take the responsibility, and turn they to us, so we take accountability to us. They, I to we, and they to us.

Speaker 2

20:02

And that relates, it's a language at the same time. You're seeing the language of our surroundings. You're seeing the language of, 1 of the things, okay, let's go back to the cell explanation because I'm also doing, what's that thing when Elon just put all the information in the open and people could figure out, they could figure it out and open source? Yeah, open source.

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20:24

So I'm open sourcing this idea right now so that, you know, engineers and anointed people, beings, anointed beings can collectively contribute to this to push our species forward. So where I've got to with my research is that there will be a hole at the top that allows natural light, natural air, and there's a constant water system, so it becomes like a water city, where it's a constant flow that's not, it's regenerative, it's not wasting the water, and it's just a constant flow. So I put the toilet really close to where this, I don't wanna call it a wave pool, but in the pool, the

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21:13

water's not still. So that exists

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in water, surrounded by water.

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21:19

Well, the living room is that you have 2 rooms. You have the dry room, which people would call the living room before, and then you have the wet room.

Speaker 1

21:30

How is that a source of happiness? What is broken about our world today that that gives you in terms of the pursuit of happiness, which is 1 of the things-

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21:40

Well, all of our buildings-

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21:41

In the previous declaration of independence.

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21:43

All of our buildings are based on just the industry and the economy. And then people lean into what people are used to seeing. Like what we think is attractive, because then you go back to the, you know, women who give life.

Speaker 2

22:04

So everyone wants to be attractive to the attractive. And that's the reason why the media goes and gets Bella Hadid, Kim Kardashian, Emily Ratajkowski. Those are the only ones I'm gonna. There's more?

Speaker 2

22:30

There's more, but I'm thinking of ones that I think are attractive.

Speaker 3

22:34

It is subjective.

Speaker 2

22:35

Yeah, because it's subjective. So to my subjective, which I think the only guys that could argue with me on my opinion on girls would be Brad and Leo, because we're the only ones with the track record, you know? Everything else, so for everybody else, it's subjective.

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22:55

We've got history, so. Are you, are you, are you happy? Absolutely, I'm just here. It's actually, it's difficult to make me unhappy.

Speaker 2

23:13

Now I can deal with frustrations, But when those frustrations are, it's like, when you've allowed people to be in your life that shouldn't be there, and then they do the thing you knew they were gonna do, and you're screaming at them, but you really need to scream at yourself.

Speaker 1

23:32

Yeah, so you realize anything that's like anger or frustration, that's something that's wrong with you that needs to be dealt with.

Speaker 2

23:41

Yes, like right now, okay, say I got this pattern cutter that I wanted to remove because I felt like she was copying our patterns into the computer and I didn't know why she wanted to do that and I just wanted to do the patterns by hand. And then, you know. You mean like automating the patterns?

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24:01

Is that what

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24:01

you mean?

Speaker 2

24:02

Yeah, and my head of it, because they just, that's the whole thing. It's like, it's a war of human beings and robots. Yeah, but

Speaker 1

24:11

that makes it more efficient, right? You don't like the efficiency. You like the creativity of the singular nature of the pattern.

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24:17

I believe that the human beings, and I'm saying this to you as a person who makes robots and a person who's friends

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24:23

with Elon. I'm deeply offended right now.

Speaker 1

24:25

Yeah. But I'll let it go.

Speaker 2

24:27

Okay. So yeah, I believe that the.

Speaker 1

24:30

Yeah, he hates robots. I'm not gonna put that out there, it's a joke.

Speaker 2

24:35

Robots have feelings too.

Speaker 3

24:36

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2

24:37

That was also a joke.

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24:39

Was it? We need

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24:40

to clarify that for future robots. But the pattern cutter, the pattern cutter, you don't like that. You had to be, you can't have that part of your life.

Speaker 2

24:51

That's not what I'm, my, everything that I'm doing is for the sake of the human race. There's things in capitalism, there's things in technology. Well, technology and original human species can exist in a peaceful way.

Speaker 2

25:23

As long as the people that know how to make robots aren't using their robots to control the humans. Lex? Definitely something you

Speaker 1

25:32

have to be concerned about as we become more technologically savvy. That, my friend, is why engineering isn't everything, that you have to desperately study the lessons of history. In Nazi Germany, science was used to create atrocities.

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25:51

Engineering, the same. Engineering could be a tool of war.

Speaker 2

25:55

We're still in the Holocaust. A Jewish friend of mine said, come go visit the Holocaust Museum. And my response was, let's visit our Holocaust Museum, Planned Parenthood.

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26:10

With all due respect, I

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26:12

grew up in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish. Parts of my family perished in the Holocaust of Nazi Germany.

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26:24

I have to push back that there is a difference of the atrocities at that scale, at that time, on an entire people. I was

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26:33

gonna say the number, that's the difference. It's not the number. Because 6000000, well also, African Americans are actually Jew also, the lost tribe of Israel.

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26:43

I can push back on that too. Okay, so, well, everyone came from Africa.

Speaker 1

26:48

I am African. I'm basically African American. We're brothers.

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26:52

And we're both Jew, and we're brothers. So. We're human.

Speaker 2

26:56

6000000 people died in the Holocaust. Over 20 million have died by the hands of abortion. And the media promotes the my body my choice which is actually still a promotion for Planned Parenthood. 50% of black deaths a year is actually abortion.

Speaker 2

27:16

It's not It's not the cop with the knee, it's not black on black violence and gang violence, it's not heart attacks, it's actually abortion. The most dangerous place for a black person in America is in their mother's stomach.

Speaker 1

27:32

There's 900 to a million abortions in the United States a year, I hear you, but there's something about the rape, the torture, the murder of children, women, men, the complete humiliation and just the suffering that was endured during World War II. That's what

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27:53

we deal with on our TVs right now with black people. Soros would use black trauma economy to win an election. What I love is having a healthy conversation.

Speaker 2

28:08

And as opposed to, there's certain things, you know, boom, this drops, people are gonna have pussy hats on. Boom, this drops, it's gonna be black people and white people with signs. Boom, this drops. So hey, China, hey, left agenda, hey, what we're gonna do is say that our species can have a healthy conversation.

Speaker 1

28:28

Can I just linger on this? Because when you say Jewish media, there's a echo of a pain that people feel that reminds

Speaker 2

28:38

an entire- You're saying it's redundant, right?

Speaker 1

28:41

No, I'm not saying it's redundant.

Speaker 2

28:43

I'm saying- I'm saying it's redundant.

Speaker 1

28:44

You're saying it's redundant.

Speaker 2

28:45

It's a redundant thing.

Speaker 1

28:46

I'm saying it's something that Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister of Nazi Germany said. I'm saying it's been said so many times in order to murder and torture Jewish people that it just rings wrong. Just like the N word when spoken by people that have the same skin color as me.

Speaker 1

29:12

It reminds people of a very dark time.

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29:15

I know, If Jewish people would accept that I'm Jew, then they would see what I'm saying in a different way. They would hear it in a different way.

Speaker 3

29:23

But see, the people, you saying you're Jewish, that- No, I'm Jew, not Jewish.

Speaker 2

29:28

Jewish means like that of a Jew. I'm saying I'm Jew. You're Jew.

Speaker 2

29:31

Blood of Christ, Orthodox

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29:33

Christian. Right. But that, are you,

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29:38

are you a follower of the philosophy of the black Hebrew Israelites? Because that's where the idea comes from. Not all of those folks are extremists, but some are extremists.

Speaker 2

29:51

I'm a follower of the idea, I have a vague idea that all people came from Africa. But what I wanted to do, now, okay, now I could Andy Kaufman this about 7 more minutes and then tell you what it is, what the whole

Speaker 1

30:11

point is. Let's count, 7 minutes. No, I

Speaker 2

30:14

did this to do a spoiler alert. Sure, spoiler. What's the first thing I said at the beginning?

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30:21

We're talking about engineering and humans. We're all human.

Speaker 2

30:24

And then what did I say we shouldn't focus on? Race. Not just that.

Speaker 2

30:29

I said they shouldn't teach this in school. History. The history because what they do, what schools are doing is exactly what the CIA does with Pixar films and Disney films. They make Bambi's mom die in the beginning, right?

Speaker 2

30:47

And off that pain comes a purchase of ice cream. Off that pain comes, I need some more toys. Off that pain comes, I need a bigger house. Off that pain comes, I need more girls than my wife.

Speaker 2

31:00

Off that pain comes, So they put that pain in to make us, now we're the orphans of capitalism, to make us be consumers. And we need to be a community, not just consumers. So I could have went another 7 minutes by being a person who presents himself in a way that says, well, I don't have to feel your pain because I also have pain too that's not being recognized. And in every interview, when I say, well, why did I get to the point of putting up the tweet?

Speaker 2

31:32

No 1 wants to understand why I got to that point, right?

Speaker 3

31:36

You had pain, you had pain. Yeah, but no one- Pain

Speaker 2

31:38

in your heart. But let's say this, undoubtedly Jewish people have a lot of movies about that pain, and black people have a lot of movies about the pain of slavery, right? It's almost impossible to find a movie about Mansa Munsa.

Speaker 2

31:59

When you go to the African History Museum in Washington, D.C., it doesn't start with the idea of Africans being kings. It starts with the idea of Africans being slaves. But here's another interesting point about this. This was said to me 1 time and it stuck with me as a family member of mine.

Speaker 2

32:20

With Africans, how many times you've heard like a rapper you know, talk about, we were kings. That's incorrect if we're Jew. If we're Jew, and since we are, we weren't the kings. We were the slaves that Moses freed.

Speaker 2

32:43

Africans have always said, we've heard, You've listened to rap music and hear black people say, we kings, we blood of the Pharaohs. And if we are Jew, then we weren't. We were the people that Moses freed. And when we talk about, have you heard black people talk about 400 years of slavery?

Speaker 2

33:04

All right, that is, and we're having this history lesson, right?

Speaker 1

33:10

And- That history doesn't matter. You're exploring ancient history and drawing deep wisdom from it. And at the same time saying we need to forget all of it.

Speaker 1

33:19

We need to put that behind us.

Speaker 2

33:21

Absolutely. We need to forget it and we need to move forward.

Speaker 1

33:26

There is so much wisdom to draw from history, even the 20th century. Look at this, communism. Without the lessons of history of the 20th century, communism sounds like a great idea, except that some of the worst atrocities conducted by Stalin and Mao that killed 50, 100 plus million people.

Speaker 1

33:50

Not just killed, tortured, starvation. Where people, cannibalism, they ate each other. They ate their children. There's just dark, people should read some books on this, on the Holland and more, 1930s.

Speaker 1

34:06

With that lesson, we would, and now it's becoming more popular, Marxism and communism.

Speaker 2

34:11

I'm not disagreeing that that happened, I'm disagreeing that we need to harp on the things that happen because the truth is, I'm giving a fact, 50% today of, let's say, you don't call black people Jew, right? Black people's deaths today is abortion today, right now. Like that, it's not racism.

Speaker 2

34:39

That's too wide of a term. It's genocide and population control that black people are in today in America that is promoted by the music and the media that black people make that Jewish record labels get paid off of or media companies, record labels and media company also, so Let's give it a wider.

Speaker 1

35:01

You know, I agree with Martin Luther King. I have a dream too.

Speaker 2

35:06

Martin Luther King was.

Speaker 1

35:06

That 1 day you would not be judged by the color of your skin or your race, black or Jew, but by the content of your character, all the assholes that fucked you over in the music industry, fuck artists over in the music industry, are individuals. They're not Jews. Can you

Speaker 3

35:26

say- They are Jewish.

Speaker 1

35:29

It doesn't, they're human with opportunities. And they took those opportunities. I don't care if they're Jewish or Jew.

Speaker 1

35:37

Do you

Speaker 2

35:37

feel like I should release that pain and separate it? Yes. Okay, so if that, okay.

Speaker 2

35:43

So if you're saying I should release that pain and separate it, then I'm telling you, you should release your pain and separate it and we could get to this, the list of how you are being with engineering opportunities.

Speaker 3

35:59

That's 100%, I see what you're doing, that's exactly what you're doing. The pain, I'm gonna let it go. Engineering challenges, I get it.

Speaker 3

36:07

1 of the problems you highlight is people get fucked over in the music industry and get fucked over in the media, Get fucked over all over the place. They created, there was a Jewish trainer that brought me to the hospital and put in press that I went to the hospital. I know friends that off of exhaustion, a Jewish doctor that diagnosed me.

Speaker 2

36:30

Why do you keep saying Jewish? Because they were, right? Diagnosed me with bipolar disorder and shot me with medication and put me on medication, then put it in the press, and every time, even if I wore the wrong color hat that a nigger is not supposed to wear, right?

Speaker 2

36:48

Then they immediately say, he's off of his shit, he's off his meds, he's off his rocker, and it's literally used as a scarlet letter control mechanism for the, people understand, The kids, the colleges, the high schools, what do you think they put me right now? They put me as the prophet, not the leader. It doesn't have to be the leader, right, because we need a more intelligent person to be the leader, but at least, right, they put me as the prophet. They put me as the only person that would say this, and I'm just saying that was 4 Jewish members that controlled my voice because for the fact that 90% of black people in entertainment from sports to music to acting are in some way tied into Jewish business people.

Speaker 2

37:40

Meaning that in some way, just like if Rahm is sitting next to Obama or Jared's sitting next to Trump, there's a Jewish person right there controlling the country, the Jewish people controlling that who gets the best video or not, controlling what the media says about me. There's

Speaker 1

38:00

a person, not Jewish.

Speaker 3

38:02

Let me just say 1 thing. But they are though.

Speaker 2

38:04

That's the only thing. It just so happens that they are. It just so happens that they are.

Speaker 3

38:08

You saying it, that's a-

Speaker 2

38:08

That doesn't mean that I hate them.

Speaker 3

38:10

Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2

38:10

That just means that they are.

Speaker 1

38:12

But it's a dog whistle too. Let me just say, as I would love to add more love to the world, I would love you to do that as a person with a big voice, with a big powerful voice that a lot of people look up to. And when you say Jewish media, It's funny how this world works that way.

Speaker 1

38:31

When you say Jewish media or Jews are controlling the voice of black artists, black people, black artists, when you say that...

Speaker 2

38:41

Am I not allowed to say it out loud?

Speaker 1

38:43

You can say it. There's a large number of people that are hurting and have anger and even have hate in their heart when they hear Jewish media, that hate starts being directed towards the Jewish people. Do you acknowledge that?

Speaker 1

39:01

Do you understand? Can you feel the hate in the world that comes to the surface when you say stuff like that?

Speaker 2

39:10

Okay, I feel that When we go into therapy, my dad was a therapist, and obviously I've got some therapy skills myself. A lot of people, my music is healing. These type of spa-like existences are healing.

Speaker 2

39:28

The color palettes I use are healing. And we can use healing words, right? What I really feel there, I feel that there's no accountability and no responsibility on Jewish people in media to at least start with owning up with the facts of what's dealt with and tell me if I say the facts out loud, to the point of Ari Emanuel writing a letter in the Financial Times trying to take food out of my children's mouth, telling people that they're not allowed to work with me. Even Chris Como or Pierce Morgan getting me to apologize and separate Jewish business people from the families of the Jewish business people, which I did, update, I did that, that already happened.

Speaker 2

40:18

And the

Speaker 3

40:18

way I- That was a shitty apology, that wasn't really an apology. But shout out for that conversation,

Speaker 2

40:23

it was

Speaker 3

40:23

a great conversation. I need to get

Speaker 2

40:24

on my knees and kiss the dick of Howard Stern and- You

Speaker 3

40:29

don't need to kiss anyone's dick.

Speaker 2

40:30

But that's what you guys are acting like.

Speaker 3

40:33

You guys, look at that.

Speaker 2

40:34

Because you're talking about it as a shitty opinion, apology, but where's our fucking apology? Watch this. Sorry.

Speaker 2

40:42

We don't get, thank you.

Speaker 3

40:44

Now let's move on. Sorry.

Speaker 1

40:46

Oh, do I need to

Speaker 3

40:47

get on my knees or no?

Speaker 2

40:49

And kiss my dick! Oh, shit. It just escalated quickly.

Speaker 2

40:55

So that's escalated quickly. So the... So what... No, I'm saying where's our apology?

Speaker 2

41:02

But we can't get to apology because you're telling me there's no right way for me to word it. So tell me, for me, a person who's been fucked on my deals and a person that has friends that never figured out how to make shoes with a German company that couldn't tell me to wear a BLM shirt and take off my red hat, like what would have happened if I was at Nike, right? Tell me exactly how to engineer the situation I'm in.

Speaker 1

41:34

I'll tell you exactly how. You got a big voice, have the balls as a man to call out the individuals. Don't call them Jews, call them by their name and start a war against those individuals.

Speaker 1

41:45

They're not Jewish.

Speaker 2

41:46

But if that's the case, will you help me with that?

Speaker 3

41:50

Sure, 100%. Assholes are, well, let me flip that, too. I don't understand the industry well.

Speaker 3

41:57

I see that people are fucking people over, for sure, but how do you solve that? If you run, if you right now run the world's, you're doing a million things, but say you ran also a record label. I have ran a record label. Well, I've been ran by a record label where I was the face of a record label and had Big Sean and different people complaining to me, and I knew fuck about running a record label.